Jeff defines his spirituality through his relationship with our planet. His worship/practice has historically been in hiking, climbing, boating and gardening in all the wonder-full wild places he could find. Now in his eighth decade, he’s settled down to worship on one six acre farm on the Rio Grande in Velarde, NM, where the old apple trees share their wisdom and conversations with worms. In this talk, he questions beliefs about “learning through suffering” and shares the original meanings of the word “deserve”.

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